[Podcast 02] What’s Up with Canon vs Fanon

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[Podcast 02] What's Up with Canon vs Fanon
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The Team is back with another podcast!  This time we discuss in depth canon versus fanon.  We look at idiosyncrasies between canon material and accepted/popular fanon beliefs for each of Kirk, Spock, and McCoy.  We also talk about a couple of universe idiosyncrasies such as why characters having Jewish heritage seems popular/important among fans and how Star Trek treats sexuality and relationships between the sexes.

Running time: 01:31:52

Topics Discussed:

  • Spock – Hot vs Cold (00:00:40)
  • Spock – Touch Telepathy/Vulcan Kiss (00:14:00)
  • Kirk – Family Background (00:29:40)
  • Kirk – Womanizer vs Feminist (00:37:00)
  • McCoy – Backstories/Divorce/Child (00:47:05)
  • McCoy – That Ring (00:58:10)
  • Jewish Heritage(s) (01:00:10)
  • Homosexuality and Polyamory in Trek – (01:10:20)

Episodes or Movies Mentioned:

  • Star Trek The Original Series (general)
  • Star Trek 2009 (general)
  • Star Trek Beyond (general)
  • Discovery (general)
  • Star Trek The Animated Series (general)

Songs or Sounds Used:

Star Trek The Original Series – Additional Credits (00:01)

Next Podcast Topic:

All Things McSpirk


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6 Comments

  1. Shadow

    Hi again! I feel like it was such good luck that I found this podcast a few days ago, and now, a new episode’s already out. πŸ˜€

    While I enjoyed listening to the entirety of the podcast, the part that stuck out to me, strangely enough, was the first section about Spock’s temperature and Vulcan as a desert planet.

    An idea thankfully less prominent now, but by no means disappeared, is that groups of people from hotter climates tend to be more lazy and more violent. It’s no accident that those groups of people are on the whole classified as non-white. This “climate theory” has been used historically as a justification underlying everything from enslavement to genocide to imperial conquest going back centuries, and has also been used to explain political instability and corruption in Latin America, Africa, and Southeast Asia today. Just a simple google search will show you that people still push forward the idea that hotter temperatures foster violence in individuals and societies.

    To preface this, I think this kind of climate theory is pretty bogus.

    You both made me realize how interesting it is that Star Trek made Vulcans, the most well known aliens in the show and a stand in, in many ways, for racial diversity, from a desert planet. After all, Vulcans are portrayed as highly rational and intelligent, advancing and unifying their planet far more quickly than Humans. We see this especially in Enterprise, but there are hints of it in TOS.

    On the surface, Vulcan being a desert planet looks like a subversion of the “climate theory”. After all, the hot temperatures of their planet did not stop them from achieving a unified society and exploring the universe.

    However, we know Vulcans are at their core ultra-violent and unable to control their emotions without daily meditation and a lifetime of education and training.

    If the choice of a desert planet was intentional, and given the academic and political climate of the 60’s, I lean toward it being so, I’m not sure the writers saw the implications of their choice to the fullest extent.

    It links the Vulcan race to hot temperatures, and then to their internal struggle for control. Consider that only through fighting daily against their natural, intensely emotional inclinations have Vulcans been able to achieve so much in universe. In that way, it actually serves to reinforce the climate theory instead of undermine it.

    You guys also mentioned Romulans as “hot-blooded”. In this way, Vulcans represent the success story, while Romulans a failure. Romulans chose to embrace their emotional nature (I’m pretty sure they’re implied to have evolved on the same planet as Vulcans) and are shown to be an enemy to the Federation’s utopia.

    Or, you know, the writers did it cause a volcano-y desert landscape is just flat out interesting to imagine, so maybe I’m thinking a little too much about this. And its not as though TOS is exactly subtle with their metaphors. Still, intentional or not, I think it means something that we still think a desert planet is a strange homeworld for Vulcans. Sorry for the rambling comment, you both just got me thinking.

    Thanks again for an awesome podcast. I can’t wait for more!

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    • Soda

      That’s interesting! I’ve heard of the climate theory before, but honestly, I haven’t really thought about it when we were talking!

      There’s also the fact that I believe they hint that Vulcan wasn’t always a desert planet, but became so due to the constant violence of the pre-Surak era.

      But honestly, I suspect the main reason Vulcan was made a Vulcan planet is because desert lots are just cheap to film in… πŸ˜‰

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    • KLMeri

      I haven’t heard of the “climate theory” before you mentioned it, Shadow, but boy is it an interesting one! Also, thank you so much for letting us know how much you enjoyed listening to the podcast.

      I’m with Soda about Vulcan as a desert planet – in the ’60s it was much cheaper to film in the western US, especially for a low budget show like Star Trek. That’s why so many planets the Enterprise crew visited also had the look of a desert/rocky terrain. Now I truly do wonder how much the writers truly considered what the audience would think of when they thought of Spock and his home planet and if that would bring up any stigmas. Excellent point!

  2. Tiirabird

    Thank you for this podcast episode! I’ve actually listened to it multiple times now πŸ˜€ You raised great points about things I already knew about, but I also learned a lot of character canon and fanon. The discussion of polyamory esp. in terms of the rarity of one-gender relationships was really interesting, and I agree – I don’t see many in fandom.

    I also noticed that I’ve written a lot of the fanon tropes that you discussed into my WIP McSpirk fic, e.g. Spock being hot-skinned πŸ˜€ I may need to adjust that.

    I wholly subscribe to the Pansexual!Kirk headcanon in both TOS and AOS πŸ™‚

    • Soda

      Thank you! That’s very nice to hear.

      Fanon isn’t necessarily bad! Nor are common fanon tropes. But I feel like sometimes they should be pointed out so that writers won’t feel they have to use them- it’s fine to invent your own fanon if you want to, too!

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